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	<title>Comments on: MSN spam to continue says the Live Search Blog</title>
	<link>http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/msn-admits-clueless-and-ineffective-spamming/</link>
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	<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 03:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The hacker tool MSN-LiveSearch is responsible for brute force attacks</title>
		<link>http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/msn-admits-clueless-and-ineffective-spamming/#comment-1102</link>
		<dc:creator>The hacker tool MSN-LiveSearch is responsible for brute force attacks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/msn-admits-clueless-and-ineffective-spamming/#comment-1102</guid>
		<description>[...] MSN LiveSearch is well known for spamming, it&#8217;s not a big surprise that they support hackers, scrapers and other content [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<script type='text/javascript' src='http://www.sezwho.com/widgets/profile/js_output/wp/abeautifulday/1.3/1.3/8bd533845c1fc43d8202c6362e715395/47a227eeb615e'></script><script type="text/javascript">var sz_global_config_params = {cppluginurl:"http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/wp-content/plugins/sezwho",cpserverurl:"http://www.sezwho.com", sitekey:"8bd533845c1fc43d8202c6362e715395",blogkey:"47a227eeb615e",blogid:"0", plugin_version:"1.3"} ; </script><p>[&#8230;] MSN LiveSearch is well known for spamming, it&#8217;s not a big surprise that they support hackers, scrapers and other content [&#8230;]<script type="text/javascript" id="szCommentHiddenTag:1102">var sz_comment_config_params = {use_cross_domain_posting:1,post_id:"220", comment_rating_submit_path:"/cpratingsubmit.php",sortOrder:"",sz_auto_comment:0,sz_auto_option_bar:0,comment_number:8, sz_comment_data:[]};sz_comment_config_params.sz_comment_data[0]= {comment_id:"1102", comment_author:"The%20hacker%20tool%20MSN-LiveSearch%20is%20responsible%20for%20brute%20force%20attacks", comment_author_url:"http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/all-search-engines-except-msn-live-search-respect-the-401-barrier/", comment_author_email:"",sz_score:"0",comment_score:"0"};</script></p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/msn-admits-clueless-and-ineffective-spamming/#comment-825</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 05:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/msn-admits-clueless-and-ineffective-spamming/#comment-825</guid>
		<description>Today I found more fake referrers from MSN with a new "referrer URL" &lt;a href="http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=index&#038;scope=&#038;first=0&#038;FORM=PERE" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=index&#038;scope=&#038;first=0&#038;FORM=PERE&lt;/a&gt;. There's no reason my site could rank for [index], and I highly doubt that on a Sunday 32 MSN users search for "index" and land on a script URL that captures invalid URIs and redirects such requests to the best matching pages. Not that I did believe the lies that MSN will reduce the spam and that it will be better targeted ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today I found more fake referrers from MSN with a new &#8220;referrer URL&#8221; <a href="http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=index&#038;scope=&#038;first=0&#038;FORM=PERE" rel="nofollow">http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=index&#038;scope=&#038;first=0&#038;FORM=PERE</a>. There&#8217;s no reason my site could rank for [index], and I highly doubt that on a Sunday 32 MSN users search for &#8220;index&#8221; and land on a script URL that captures invalid URIs and redirects such requests to the best matching pages. Not that I did believe the lies that MSN will reduce the spam and that it will be better targeted &#8230;<script type="text/javascript" id="szCommentHiddenTag:825">sz_comment_config_params.sz_comment_data[1]= {comment_id:"825", comment_author:"Sebastian", comment_author_url:"http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/about/", comment_author_email:"GX%2FM%2FRMuCXKp3Lga0Efp6euKyPuFADogwnj7IIDCOc0QVXurbSYXOqS%2FFjGx%2BQr2Y5HaNjs8D9NPHItf8b%2BFHXhUyjH%2B2WHBvp4YTH8lXHsLU%2FAo0iQXMKWR%2FpWTRNwhScKR3Hcx2UTNb0NbMzuH41bqmlQgJQTJnlJ2Gb6LWG4%3D",sz_score:"7.1",comment_score:"5.0"};</script></p>
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		<title>By: Tanner Christensen</title>
		<link>http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/msn-admits-clueless-and-ineffective-spamming/#comment-795</link>
		<dc:creator>Tanner Christensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/msn-admits-clueless-and-ineffective-spamming/#comment-795</guid>
		<description>MSN has always had some wacky way of going about things. It's no wonder MSN is ranking behind Google and Yahoo for search.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MSN has always had some wacky way of going about things. It&#8217;s no wonder MSN is ranking behind Google and Yahoo for search.<script type="text/javascript" id="szCommentHiddenTag:795">sz_comment_config_params.sz_comment_data[2]= {comment_id:"795", comment_author:"Tanner%20Christensen", comment_author_url:"http://internethunger.blogspot.com", comment_author_email:"YQUzzTDru8J2QdzPDLq7k%2Bs9cwCoVUEpB5aiffzFX%2FpBoHJBlIq8NA5rgLIQDxoUBNfRKzAzUCLbtEh8uoXAO4FcgR0y02IygQln6l6Sm48TvI2uTphbNiqdpAko6DfoWe%2Fo0kU8Z6Iimq7fLhx0LbNh93xoa%2BiMcabgMA%2BRSos%3D",sz_score:"5.0",comment_score:"5.0"};</script></p>
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		<title>By: david deangelo</title>
		<link>http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/msn-admits-clueless-and-ineffective-spamming/#comment-793</link>
		<dc:creator>david deangelo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 10:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/msn-admits-clueless-and-ineffective-spamming/#comment-793</guid>
		<description>I actually don't understand what MSN is trying to achieve out of all this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually don&#8217;t understand what MSN is trying to achieve out of all this.<script type="text/javascript" id="szCommentHiddenTag:793">sz_comment_config_params.sz_comment_data[3]= {comment_id:"793", comment_author:"david%20deangelo", comment_author_url:"http://www.seductiontuition.com/david-deangelo/", comment_author_email:"hpVaJQ0v6Zg9lX7OCA5pXJekkJLgyyqe8QantJ7lIC3How%2BvbP%2B%2FbWm%2FQLzT%2BHgCrpZ72b9xzVM%2BkN6zvLcnFs6VxSqIagq1G3jnxSBBj1yWqUYLcJ%2Fiy9xm%2BQyOSCGGibgFwPGB%2FSYzJCZjwxeQJkBRmnNvyTGeAz7NyYkR39M%3D",sz_score:"6.0",comment_score:"5.9"};</script></p>
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		<title>By: ryanol</title>
		<link>http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/msn-admits-clueless-and-ineffective-spamming/#comment-792</link>
		<dc:creator>ryanol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/msn-admits-clueless-and-ineffective-spamming/#comment-792</guid>
		<description>I read your post and couldn't help myself.

I had to create a cheap Shepard Fairey "obey" knock off.

http://www.constantlycomplaining.com/blog/files/imagepicker/r/ryanol/obeymsn.gif</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read your post and couldn&#8217;t help myself.</p>
<p>I had to create a cheap Shepard Fairey &#8220;obey&#8221; knock off.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.constantlycomplaining.com/blog/files/imagepicker/r/ryanol/obeymsn.gif">http://www.constantlycomplaining.com/blog/files/imagepicker/r/ryanol/obeymsn.gif</a><script type="text/javascript" id="szCommentHiddenTag:792">sz_comment_config_params.sz_comment_data[4]= {comment_id:"792", comment_author:"ryanol", comment_author_url:"http://www.constantlycomplaining.com/blog", comment_author_email:"uNgpg1LV3Oei42T0PtTBfwX2RZSi3%2FOvr4NW9eYdQ3EchUSeNe4RZwMBNtqEC5lXz92xYcAh51cV6qajnlqMmEo6GtYFlG5JLj0Va6z33xVmsqZ3NoirRqidV9%2FM3ti3d1MptqvTiSKBdIPzh4XTfl9834Gi0E1ABvBEfUa%2Fzac%3D",sz_score:"5.7",comment_score:"5.8"};</script></p>
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		<title>By: Cartoons &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily Search Coverage &#38; Link Finds: December 5, 2007</title>
		<link>http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/msn-admits-clueless-and-ineffective-spamming/#comment-791</link>
		<dc:creator>Cartoons &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily Search Coverage &#38; Link Finds: December 5, 2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/msn-admits-clueless-and-ineffective-spamming/#comment-791</guid>
		<description>[...] MSN spam to continue says the Live Search Blog, sebastians-pamphlets.com [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] MSN spam to continue says the Live Search Blog, sebastians-pamphlets.com [&#8230;]<script type="text/javascript" id="szCommentHiddenTag:791">sz_comment_config_params.sz_comment_data[5]= {comment_id:"791", comment_author:"Cartoons%20%26raquo%3B%20Blog%20Archive%20%26raquo%3B%20Daily%20Search%20Coverage%20%26amp%3B%20Link%20Finds%3A%20December%205%2C%202007", comment_author_url:"http://cartoons.blogscene.net/1969/12/31/daily-search-coverage-link-finds-december-5-2007/", comment_author_email:"",sz_score:"0",comment_score:"0"};</script></p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/msn-admits-clueless-and-ineffective-spamming/#comment-790</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/msn-admits-clueless-and-ineffective-spamming/#comment-790</guid>
		<description>Look at IncrediBill's piece &lt;a href="http://incredibill.blogspot.com/2007/11/livecoms-search-spam-hysteria-and-area.html"&gt;The referrer spam from MSN is just a huge red herring&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="http://www.webshoppehosting.com/weblog/?p=17"&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt; from an ex-MS employee confirming that MSN does quality control with various user agents and tools from this IP range. At least log all requests from 131.107.0.* because most of them are bogus. If you don't cloak for MSN, just block the IP range, the artificial traffic isn't worth a dime. If they really delist you at Live Search because you've blocked their spambots, who cares, they don't send enough human traffic to compensate the bot load.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at IncrediBill&#8217;s piece <a href="http://incredibill.blogspot.com/2007/11/livecoms-search-spam-hysteria-and-area.html">The referrer spam from MSN is just a huge red herring</a>, and <a href="http://www.webshoppehosting.com/weblog/?p=17">this post</a> from an ex-MS employee confirming that MSN does quality control with various user agents and tools from this IP range. At least log all requests from 131.107.0.* because most of them are bogus. If you don&#8217;t cloak for MSN, just block the IP range, the artificial traffic isn&#8217;t worth a dime. If they really delist you at Live Search because you&#8217;ve blocked their spambots, who cares, they don&#8217;t send enough human traffic to compensate the bot load.<script type="text/javascript" id="szCommentHiddenTag:790">sz_comment_config_params.sz_comment_data[6]= {comment_id:"790", comment_author:"Sebastian", comment_author_url:"http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/about/", comment_author_email:"GX%2FM%2FRMuCXKp3Lga0Efp6euKyPuFADogwnj7IIDCOc0QVXurbSYXOqS%2FFjGx%2BQr2Y5HaNjs8D9NPHItf8b%2BFHXhUyjH%2B2WHBvp4YTH8lXHsLU%2FAo0iQXMKWR%2FpWTRNwhScKR3Hcx2UTNb0NbMzuH41bqmlQgJQTJnlJ2Gb6LWG4%3D",sz_score:"7.1",comment_score:"5.0"};</script></p>
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		<title>By: SlightlyShadySEO</title>
		<link>http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/msn-admits-clueless-and-ineffective-spamming/#comment-789</link>
		<dc:creator>SlightlyShadySEO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/msn-admits-clueless-and-ineffective-spamming/#comment-789</guid>
		<description>Ugh. So now I get to update cloakers again. I'm starting to think "screw it". I might just goatse all MSN traffic.

But I'm also starting to think this isn't so much a standard test, but more of a possible beta for a future(secondary) crawler that's going to be around for a long, long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh. So now I get to update cloakers again. I&#8217;m starting to think &#8220;screw it&#8221;. I might just goatse all MSN traffic.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m also starting to think this isn&#8217;t so much a standard test, but more of a possible beta for a future(secondary) crawler that&#8217;s going to be around for a long, long time.<script type="text/javascript" id="szCommentHiddenTag:789">sz_comment_config_params.sz_comment_data[7]= {comment_id:"789", comment_author:"SlightlyShadySEO", comment_author_url:"http://www.slightlyshadyseo.com", comment_author_email:"xQaa3f70mEdKvjaDUmhYn2q0qQpjJ9EgD3xA7ZjQymsmAZzM7PYZXIqP83wsLUfBbbJ%2FOwUhYjvSyrsgxNBIKGnOCyJb%2BwyxzCwQUdAOEVPEH%2B4tvqg9T4XareJQnIxo36XD3ybgKIT7JJUN7dBI2iXgbyqWQsOUMLrE8Yrs45w%3D",sz_score:"5.9",comment_score:"5.9"};if(!(!(/Safari|Konqueror|KHTML/gi).test(navigator.userAgent) &&!navigator.userAgent.match(/opera/gi) && navigator.userAgent.match(/msie/gi))) if (window.SezWho.Utils.callJSFramework)SezWho.Utils.callJSFramework();</script></p>
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