Comments on: Cloaking is good for you. Just ignore Bing’s/Google’s guidelines. http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/cloaking-is-good-for-your-vistors/ If you've read my articles somewhere on the Internet, expect something different here. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:02:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: Riparazioni Torino http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/cloaking-is-good-for-your-vistors/#comment-2474 Riparazioni Torino Sat, 24 Jul 2010 06:37:05 +0000 http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/cloaking-is-good-for-your-vistors/#comment-2474 Using your technique BMW was banned from Google. http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2006-02-04-n60.html This sucks and I wanted to do something similar to a client's website and got really discouraged because of this. I am not sure if it's ethical from Google but I don't think we have another chance but to live it it. ["Whitehat cloaking" sure as hell is "ethical from Google" ;-) As a matter of fact, you can cloak lots of other things besides hidden text and links on sneakily redirecting doorway pages ...] Using your technique BMW was banned from Google. http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2006-02-04-n60.html
This sucks and I wanted to do something similar to a client’s website and got really discouraged because of this. I am not sure if it’s ethical from Google but I don’t think we have another chance but to live it it.

[”Whitehat cloaking” sure as hell is “ethical from Google” ;-) As a matter of fact, you can cloak lots of other things besides hidden text and links on sneakily redirecting doorway pages …]

]]> By: nyhl http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/cloaking-is-good-for-your-vistors/#comment-2465 nyhl Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:47:12 +0000 http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/cloaking-is-good-for-your-vistors/#comment-2465 I think everything that's too much can harm your site either too much spam and too much playing safe. If your spamming the search engines will be there to take you down and if your playing safe and rank well your own competitor sites will sabotage and report your site. It all depends on your knowledge and limits about this cloaking process then maybe you'll be lucky not to flag as spam. I think everything that’s too much can harm your site either too much spam and too much playing safe. If your spamming the search engines will be there to take you down and if your playing safe and rank well your own competitor sites will sabotage and report your site. It all depends on your knowledge and limits about this cloaking process then maybe you’ll be lucky not to flag as spam.

]]> By: SEO Mofo http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/cloaking-is-good-for-your-vistors/#comment-2464 SEO Mofo Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:06:54 +0000 http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/cloaking-is-good-for-your-vistors/#comment-2464 What bothers me the most is the "circumcised creativity" effect. Google is bottle-necking the evolution of the Web. How many good ideas have fallen by the wayside because of the webmaster's fear of "how will Google handle this?" For me personally, the most difficult problem in SEO has been finding the outer limit of Google engineers' abilities/imaginations and making sure my "brilliant ideas" don't cross that line. I eventually realized that advanced/creative/innovative web development techniques are just as much of a threat to rankings as blatant spam techniques...if not more so. What bothers me the most is the “circumcised creativity” effect. Google is bottle-necking the evolution of the Web. How many good ideas have fallen by the wayside because of the webmaster’s fear of “how will Google handle this?”

For me personally, the most difficult problem in SEO has been finding the outer limit of Google engineers’ abilities/imaginations and making sure my “brilliant ideas” don’t cross that line. I eventually realized that advanced/creative/innovative web development techniques are just as much of a threat to rankings as blatant spam techniques…if not more so.

]]> By: Weekly Search & Social News: 07/13/2010 | Search Engine Journal http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/cloaking-is-good-for-your-vistors/#comment-2455 Weekly Search & Social News: 07/13/2010 | Search Engine Journal Tue, 13 Jul 2010 09:12:27 +0000 http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/cloaking-is-good-for-your-vistors/#comment-2455 [...] Cloaking is good for you. Just ignore Bing’s/Google’s guidelines. - lol… and what is a week on the Trails without a good rant? Weak I say… thus it was good to see Sebastian taking a great little kick at the can towards the world of legitimate and illegitimate cloaking. This is an area I wish search engines would talk about more for clarity. Nice on Seb!! [...] […] Cloaking is good for you. Just ignore Bing’s/Google’s guidelines. - lol… and what is a week on the Trails without a good rant? Weak I say… thus it was good to see Sebastian taking a great little kick at the can towards the world of legitimate and illegitimate cloaking. This is an area I wish search engines would talk about more for clarity. Nice on Seb!! […]

]]> By: Jim Watson http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/cloaking-is-good-for-your-vistors/#comment-2450 Jim Watson Wed, 07 Jul 2010 09:18:01 +0000 http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/cloaking-is-good-for-your-vistors/#comment-2450 Excellent article Sebastian - bang on the money. Excellent article Sebastian - bang on the money.

]]> By: Sebastian http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/cloaking-is-good-for-your-vistors/#comment-2449 Sebastian Wed, 07 Jul 2010 07:36:00 +0000 http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/cloaking-is-good-for-your-vistors/#comment-2449 Matt, IP delivery (cloaking) is a method, geo targeting is a purpose. Mike, Google says IP delivery is fine with us, just don't cloak. The problem is, that they rule methods and tactics because they fail on judging intentions, or purposes, properly. In other words, since distinguishing spammy purposes from well meant uses of cloaking algorithmically deemed impossible, they process hard rules that tyrannize webmasters, and circumcize creativity. Johan, if a search engine would try to delete a website of mine, I'd call 911. That's plain theft. ;-) Mohsin, you're spot on. Matt, IP delivery (cloaking) is a method, geo targeting is a purpose.

Mike, Google says IP delivery is fine with us, just don’t cloak. The problem is, that they rule methods and tactics because they fail on judging intentions, or purposes, properly. In other words, since distinguishing spammy purposes from well meant uses of cloaking algorithmically deemed impossible, they process hard rules that tyrannize webmasters, and circumcize creativity.

Johan, if a search engine would try to delete a website of mine, I’d call 911. That’s plain theft. ;-)
Mohsin, you’re spot on.

]]> By: mohsin http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/cloaking-is-good-for-your-vistors/#comment-2448 mohsin Wed, 07 Jul 2010 03:44:19 +0000 http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/cloaking-is-good-for-your-vistors/#comment-2448 Most of the webmasters understand that Search Engine policies are meant to limit the choices of content serving, in the name of spam control. And most of the web-spam is in fact due to these Search Engines themselves. I think cloaking will be a legitimate technique if there were no search engines ;) Because people use cloaking to dodge Search Engines! Similarly it is due to Search Engines' crappy policies that people no more link to others freely. Most of the webmasters understand that Search Engine policies are meant to limit the choices of content serving, in the name of spam control. And most of the web-spam is in fact due to these Search Engines themselves. I think cloaking will be a legitimate technique if there were no search engines ;) Because people use cloaking to dodge Search Engines!
Similarly it is due to Search Engines’ crappy policies that people no more link to others freely.

]]> By: Johan http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/cloaking-is-good-for-your-vistors/#comment-2447 Johan Wed, 07 Jul 2010 02:22:05 +0000 http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/cloaking-is-good-for-your-vistors/#comment-2447 I think you're taking this a bit to short, Of course you are right about how google should allow some cloaking techniques, like in the examples you mentioned. But serving a completely different page to a search engine as opposed to a regular user agent, for the sole reason of better ranking is just plain wrong and search engines should delete websites who do such things. Besides, changing a bit of content does not trigger the 'big red button'. it has to be completely different, poor programmers might trigger this, but changing a few prices or a few sentences wouldn't, at least, that is my expierence I think you’re taking this a bit to short,

Of course you are right about how google should allow some cloaking techniques, like in the examples you mentioned.

But serving a completely different page to a search engine as opposed to a regular user agent, for the sole reason of better ranking is just plain wrong and search engines should delete websites who do such things.

Besides, changing a bit of content does not trigger the ‘big red button’. it has to be completely different, poor programmers might trigger this, but changing a few prices or a few sentences wouldn’t, at least, that is my expierence

]]> By: Mike http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/cloaking-is-good-for-your-vistors/#comment-2446 Mike Wed, 07 Jul 2010 02:17:55 +0000 http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/cloaking-is-good-for-your-vistors/#comment-2446 I can see where cloaking can be used for bad and negative reasons, but there must be some way of differentiating this from the good type, after all like you said Google use it themselves. I can see where cloaking can be used for bad and negative reasons, but there must be some way of differentiating this from the good type, after all like you said Google use it themselves.

]]> By: Matt Inertia http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/cloaking-is-good-for-your-vistors/#comment-2445 Matt Inertia Wed, 07 Jul 2010 00:16:28 +0000 http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/cloaking-is-good-for-your-vistors/#comment-2445 Seems to me that cloaking or "ip delivery" is a necessary process to (when you completely disregard what Google says you should do) employ. Why the hell wouldn't I want to deliver different content to different people? They are, after all, different people! Fair enough, delivering googlebot a page with 3000 words of keyword orientated nonsensical text when your normal page contains a paragraph of sales text and 6 product images is a blatant spam technique but as you suggest above there are practical applications from IP delivery. So whats the difference between IP delivery and geo targeting? Looks like IP delivery/cloaking is about to be the next big topic in the SEO bar. Seems to me that cloaking or “ip delivery” is a necessary process to (when you completely disregard what Google says you should do) employ. Why the hell wouldn’t I want to deliver different content to different people? They are, after all, different people! Fair enough, delivering googlebot a page with 3000 words of keyword orientated nonsensical text when your normal page contains a paragraph of sales text and 6 product images is a blatant spam technique but as you suggest above there are practical applications from IP delivery.

So whats the difference between IP delivery and geo targeting?

Looks like IP delivery/cloaking is about to be the next big topic in the SEO bar.

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